Eve of Destruction

F9/11 uses facts in evidence and it quite obviously passes the legal standards. Miramax and Moore wouldn't have released it if it didn't meet the legal standards (and, incidentally, both have indicated that legal firms were consulted and are retained in the event a libel/slander suit is launched); too much money at stake for them to make that type of move without legal consultation.

F9/11, however, is a distortion of the facts, a misrepresentation. There are many ways to accomplish this. You can put two disparate facts together and present them as having a causal connection of some kind. You can read into the absence of information. You can proof-text an issue while ignoring contrary evidence. In the case of film, you can take cut, edit, or juxtapose images to communicate certain implicit ideas. I could go on... the art of propaganda is extensive.

Fahrenheit Fact has no legs.

If all they can do is be anti-Moore without allowing anyone to say anything in return...

here, fishy fishy...


The "art of propoganda"? What possible benefit does Moore have in attacking Bush?

Where's his prize?

Fahrenheit uses more than just facts in evidence.

He's unearthed some devastating footage of Bush and his policy makers who have more than just their hands in the cookie jar.

These are Masters of Corruption. The kind that can only be produced by BIG BUSINESS.

The lives of fellow human beings are not important when you need your wallet full. This is Moore's argument.

See the film before you pass judgment, Ken- you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Fahrenheit Fact is just for starters... and it gives its readers a reasonable reason for not using comments. It is simply meant to disseminate some of the distortions at work in the film. Flip it back at you, Moore provides no place to comment on his film at his website. Its pure promotion too. To help the troops, Moore advertises on his site that he will send free copies of any of his movies if they write him and tell him their situation. Yeah, I'm sure that doesn't have an obvious set of motives. So gracious to help out the troops like that...

Michael Moore is a well-established liberal pundit. If you want to jump in bed with him simply because he also knows how to work a camera and spin a tale...

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Originally posted by Johann
The "art of propoganda"? What possible benefit does Moore have in attacking Bush?

Where's his prize?

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I really didn't read this, did I? Hmmm, where's his prize? What's the benefit? There are so many possible ways to just begin to answer this question... surely you can think of just one of those reasons and save me the time.

Only one: getting rid of that Texan asshole and knowing he helped do it.

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Originally posted by Johann
These are Masters of Corruption. The kind that can only be produced by BIG BUSINESS.

The lives of fellow human beings are not important when you need your wallet full. This is Moore's argument.

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As I mentioned, I've heard it all. This is nothing new. Republicans and Bush et al. sit in dark rooms, smoking cohibas, and conspiring how best to manipulate the world stage in order to satiate their insatiable lust for power and wealth. Yes, yes, yes and poor little Michael Moore--no money to his name--valiantly walks the corridors of power in his blue collar and filthy hat, jeans, and shirt to root out this corruption and set it in the light of day for all to see. Hmmm... wonderful... Thank-you, Mr. Moore for your undefiled purity of conscience, your dedication to objectivity and the everyman. Thank-you, Mr. Moore that you alone have the courage to summon the American people to their civic duty, that is to vote Democrat!

He ain't "spinning a tale", man.

It's truth. Undeniable, you-bet-your-bibby truth. Moore is using a heavy-hand, but it's no more heavy than the one Bush and co. used to deceive the American people. (and the world)

I'm staring in disbelief at your comments, Ken.



Why are only Canadians arguing about this movie on this thread?

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As I mentioned, I've heard it all. This is nothing new. Republicans and Bush et al. sit in dark rooms, smoking cohibas, and conspiring how best to manipulate the world stage in order to satiate their insatiable lust for power and wealth. Yes, yes, yes and poor little Michael Moore--no money to his name--valiantly walks the corridors of power in his blue collar and filthy hat, jeans, and shirt to root out this corruption and set it in the light of day for all to see. Hmmm... wonderful... Thank-you, Mr. Moore for your undefiled purity of conscience, your dedication to objectivity and the everyman. Thank-you, Mr. Moore that you alone have the courage to summon the American people to their civic duty, that is to vote Democrat!

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You've heard it all before? You obviously haven't heard that Bush was a Yale BONESMAN. Know what they are, Ken? An elite group whose only mission in life is world domination! Hmmm. Bush is President....

And you don't believe it? Your post above is actually not that far off the mark- these guys do conspire to manipulate! They do have an insatiable lust for power and money!

This is how blind you are. They do it while people like you support it! SHAME ON YOU!

As I've said before, your ignorance is staggering.

No spin. Of course not. I know that. F9/11 is purity of vision, an unassailable bastion of truth, and Moore is the everyman who wants that truth to be heard. He shows consummate trust to lay out all the details and let his viewers decide. He strives to liberate his audience from the tyranny of their media and their enslavement to the wiles and deception of the Republican-right. 'F9/11 ignites box office Passion,' screams his website. Moore stares right into the abyss and cries out in the wilderness, "Repent!" He sounds the call: "Let all people hear know that their salvation is at hand. John Kerry shall deliver us from the throes of Satan and his minions. Vote! Vote! Vote!"

Geroge Bush, Skull and Bones, 1967. Yeah, I get it.

Oh, wait! John Kerry, Skull and Bones, 1965.

Time to check into rehab, man- whatever your on is destroying you and your good sense.

What happened to you? Your intelligence has left you....This is not the Ken I know.

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Geroge Bush, Skull and Bones, 1967. Yeah, I get it.

Oh, wait! John Kerry, Skull and Bones, 1965.

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Keep going! Don't stop there.

Yeah, you get it. What do you get?

Politicians are cunning-Kerry's an idiot too- all of them. The U.S. (and canada) are in a crisis situation right now.

George W. Bush will win the election in November. Why? Because he paid for it in cold, hard, blood-drenched cash. Remember Dogville by Lars von Trier? Do you remember your President NIXON?

I highly recommend reading two books by Hunter S. Thompson:

Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72- Hunter shows with extrordinary, gonzo, heat-seeking truth how Nixon stole the election in 1972 from George McGovern (and everybody else) and it's the best political book I will ever read- yes, EVER READ. Hunter Thompson is one of my heroes- as a journalist, a freak, and a man.

Kingdom of Fear- this is his latest. It's the truth, undistilled, AGAIN, by the greatest gonzo poet America has ever produced.
He tells us the next ten years are gonna suck big time, and I believe him. Read these important works- AMERICAN WORKS- with NO PROPAGANDA, and you'll see what it's really all about.

Hunter hated Bush senior so much he wrote a book called Better Than Sex, where he laments that the country is so fucked and Bush has to go so badly that he was willing to vote for Clinton to get Bush out of the white house.

I wonder what the good doctor is thinking right now, in the aftermath of Fahrenheit 9/11...