I guess we're coming to more of an agreement now.

I just wanted to add one thing--that I'd agree with Rosenbaum in saying the Muller documentary is "ultimately unsatisfactory"--because it needs to get to the bottom of more than it does, I guess. It disturbed me too, but I didn't feel like I'd wasted my time. I had put off seeing it for a while because I thought the woman would be distasteful. She sort of is, but whether "criminally naive" oir not, (don't think she came to acknowledge that afterward, Johann--she doesn't repudiate anything but stonewalls as I recall), her career is troubling. She was not under compulsion to make the propaganda films. Making propaganda films for any government is a dubious eneterprise to get involved in, even if the government isn't reprehensible, and even if you produce masterpices. They're tainted masterpieces--and moreover they're masterpieces that people often find heavy and boring. Fascism's self-worship is a lugubrious enterprise. But Riefenstahl's life was a remarkable one.