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    Egypt after the fall

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    25 January slogan: "The People, the Army: One Hand!"

    Mubarak has stepped down and the Egyptian people have triumphed, celebrating as only they can. But have they really triumphed? Is the regime gone? Obviously there will be many remnants. What will become of Mubarak and Omar Suleiman? What will become of the police, the Mukhabarat's apparatus of detention and torture? What can save the economy of a nation that has such demographic problems? These are certainly very real worries. But foreign, particularly American, observers are partly irrelevant now, though they could be helpful. Obama, whose foreign policy team was at cross purposes and who vacillated himself, has come out with very positive statements about the revolution, its youthful spirit, its new hope -- a move, at last, that's both wise and shrewd on his part.

    But this has brought the ire of such right-wing US foreign policy ideologues as John Bolton, a would-be republican presidential candidate, who has raged at Obama's naiveté. Here is one of the reasons the American right is so clear and forceful in its statements. Its spokesmen repeat the same ideas over and over without reference to changing events.

    Conservatives stick by their two familiar bugaboos, the Egyptian army and the Muslim brothers, whose predicted effects are somewhat contradictory, because the army, they say, will make everything remain the same (which they may like); but the Muslim brothers, they also say, will change everything horribly for the worse. To begin with, conservatives don't like revolutions: full stop.

    The armed forces are a great power in Egypt. They are in charge now. Besides, since 1952 each leader has come from their ranks. But the military has stood on the side of the uprising and this has been clear all along. It must have supported the removal of Mubarak for that to have taken place. Bolton and other conservative commentators and "experts" (whose Middle East experience Jeremy Scahill joked often seems to be "has eaten falafel") keep insisting that the Muslim brothers are a mass of jihadists. Everyone knows the Ikhwan are the "most organized" opposition group. But their threat seems exaggerated. They have become more moderate and open to secular government. They have been warmly cooperative in the intifada, never impeding its Muslim-Christian unity. They may simply not be much of a political force in Egypt now, if they ever were. As has been pointed out, they have accomplished little in the last eighty years.

    The youth revolution of 25 January brings out whether one is an optimist or a pessimist. I side with the optimists. They include most Egyptians right now. They see a new, young, secular democracy, with free elections, economic development for the good of all, and representation of all elements of society. The pessimists say there will always be a "pharaoh," and the army will just bring in a new one, maybe even someone not so new. They go on to say Egypt will go the way of Iran rather than Turkey.

    Optimists like me point out that the Egyptian people have an incredible new commitment to their political future, an extraordinary new sense of civic and national pride that make everyone want to get involved -- and ready to take to the streets again if their basic demands are not met. The touching voluntary cleanup of Tahrir Square is a visible metaphor for their will to cooperate at the most basic level. The spirit of Tahrir Square won't easily be abandoned.

    This may be a time for Americans to acknowledge that it's not all about us or all about Israel. Even moderates have dared to speculate recently that propping up a dictator like Mubarak for thirty years may not really have done either the US or Israel any good. A lot of those billions went down the drain. They may have gone directly into the Mubarak family bank accounts. They certainly didn't go into the pockets of Egyptian working people.

    The fourth communiqué of the High Council of the Armed Forces is encouraging as far as it goes, pledging a changeover to a civilian government and continuation of all existing treaties. The people and their various political organizers are agreed on the general steps that must soon take place. Both houses of parliament must be dissolved; there must be a new provisional constitution allowing for true democratic elections; a presidential council and a transitional government; a referendum on a new constitution. There may be differences on details. Some may be unhappy that the military is in charge. Everything hinges on what elements of the army dominate. For the moment there are no clear leaders. For me this is hopeful too, a clear sign that this is really as Al Jazeera Arabic has called it, ثورة شعب/thawrat sha'b, "a revolution of the people." But in a situation like this, we have to be able to live with uncertainty.

    This is the Feb. 13, 2011 entry of the Chris Knipp blog.
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    Many people are not aware that the man in charge of the military was a strong supporter of Mubarak. My feelings at this point are cautious. Suspending the constitution and discharging their parliment leaves the people with no voice. Unless reforms are inacted at once, I fear this military regime may decided that quiet "crackdown" is the answer, as we saw today in Tehran, where police charged into protesters with brutal force. The Egyptian secret police are still in power and the domestic police forces have not shown any remorse for their actions two weeks ago.
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    I watched a panel at uOttawa discuss the situation on CPAC.

    The point was made that a lot of people got rich through the Mubarak regime, and a lot of those people still have tentacles.
    It's going to be tough I think. Remnants indeed.

    Those remnants will be a problem. Old dogs don't learn new tricks easily.
    But at least we know that the Egyptian people are ready and willing to die if the situation gets anywhere near what Mubarak was.
    It's a huge mistake to fuck the people over after a revolution of this magnitude.
    It's gonna be tough, but I'm very optimistic.
    Just because of the CHARACTER those people displayed.
    To the PLANET.
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    What about the power of the people? Remember the Sixties? This is a wave of revolutions, youth and wired-powered.

    I heard em say
    The revolution wont be televised
    Aljazeera proved em wrong
    Twitter has him paralyzed
    80 million strong
    And ain’t no longer gonna be terrorized
    Organized – Mobilized – Vocalized
    On the side of TRUTH
    Um il-Dunya’s living proof
    That its a matter of time
    before the chicken is home to roost
    Bouazizi lit the…

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    Awesome lines.
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    Thanks to my sister in Baltimore. She found them. He's a Syrian/American rapper, it seems.

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    It's sad to watch what is happening in the Middle East. I feel so helpless. And then turn your eyes back home and look at Wisconsin and Ohio. Have the bad guys won and this is all some terrible dream where I can't wake up?
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    Muammar al-Qaddafi in extremis

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    Qaddafi on state TV: "Sing, dance, and get ready"

    Muammar al-Qaddafi in extremis

    Ten days later the world isn't focused on Cairo any more. On February 26 military police brutally attacked protesters in Tahrir Square and in front of the Parliament, a sign the old order and means of repression are not gone. Not that all hope is lost: slowly, steps are being taken to move toward a new democratic government. And as for the wave of revolutionary fervor, that continues throughout the Arab world. On Friday Iraqis staged their own "Day of Rage" and the biggest oil refinery was shut down. Additional tribal leaders joined the opposition in Yemen and it's looking more and more as if Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen will have to step down, not wait till 2013, his Mubarak-like initial offer. Revolt is strong in Bahrain too. A Shiite leader returned from exile to Manama and thousands marched to call for the PM's removal. Demonstrations were weaker in Algeria and Tunisia, but they happened.

    All the attention of course is on Libya. This is the worst-case scenario for the Arab revolts. A mad dog leader (Reagan's words), isolated, eccentric, and deranged, has made the country an empty shell. The small population is scattered into disconnected tribes. Qaddafi and his No. 1 son Saif al-Islam are pledged to fight to the end. Only Libya's oil riches may protect the country from future chaos. If oil income is distributed among the population, that may foster domestic tranquility (which happens in the princedoms and makes them more secure against revolt). But Libya's revolution can't have been as planned and coordinated as those of Tunisia and Egypt. It's more a spontaneous impulse, inspired by news of the Arab world. One can only hope that the revolutionary spirit and the Arab connectedness symbolized by Al Jazeera will somehow also inspire the country to rebuild itself and avoid the truly worst-case scenario of descending into another Afghanistan.

    There is no semblance of decency in Qaddafi. He ordered his own air force to strafe demonstrators. Some defected in protest and piloted their planes to Malta. The new Arabic words to learn this time (akin to بلطجية /baltagiyya for the locally hired thugs in Cairo) are مرتزقة اجانب/murtaziqa ajānib, foreign mercenaries. Here is a leader who is accusing the demonstrators of being not only foreign-inspired, but run by al-Qa'ida, while he is hiring outsiders to kill his own people, and openly threatening to attack them in their houses, burn the land, turn the country into a living hell, distribute arms to all his remaining supporters.

    Citizen rebels hold Benghazi, which represents a bastion of freedom, a city-wide Tahrir Square, and other towns have followed. But Quaddafi forces still control other strongholds, including the capital, Tripoli -- which was done over in a day to present a tidy, peaceful front for foreign journalists. The dictators' favorite western media contact lady, Christiane Amanpour of ABC, got to interview Saif al-Islam. But he has already raged on state television, and this man does not wear well.

    Libyans used broken TVs as barricades. Al Jazeera broadcast an extraordinary film last week. It showed the video stream of Quaddafi's khaki-swathed rant, also on TV, being projected huge on a wall and as the mad dog waved his Green Book and threatened to make his people's lives hell, protesters threw large objects at the flickering image and shouted.

    The revolution in Libya has the dubious but for the revolutionaries very real advantage that the government hasn't (like Egypt's republic) a thread of legitimacy. The fabric of Egypt's regime would have shredded more completely if its cadre of ministers, military officers, and ambassadors had publicly resigned and declared their allegiance to the revolt as has happened in Libya. But while Egypt has the danger that its old regime is too solidly entrenched, Libya has the danger of having no structure to hold it together at all.

    Now, Obama still presents a pale image of American "democracy," because Sarkozy and Cameron spoke up directly while he dithered again. Two good reasons this time, though: oil and Americans working in Libya. If Obama had called for Quaddafi's removal early and oil prices had gone up, as they are anyway, that would hurt Obama's reelection chances. He did not want to drive the crazy leader to take Americans hostage and bad weather was delaying their escape to Malta.

    American and indeed all policy of the western powers is based on expediency rather than morality, and their official reprisals may be feeble or harmful, anything but helpful, just diplomatic gestures to make them look good later. As Ertegun of Turkey has just said, sanctions against Libya threaten to harm the people more than help their cause. The United States isn't written "US" for nothing. It's all about us, not them.

    Libya, though just next door, is not providing a picture of the beautiful, mainly peaceful revolution that we witnessed in Egypt. It's an ugly process with no end in sight and not easy to watch. But it is an even stronger picture of the courage, determination, and democratic drive of the Arab people. And this too is being called by Libyans a "revolution of youth."

    PHOTO CAPTIONS:
    Rebels celebrate fall of Benghazi
    Demonstrators with Libyan flag in Benghazi
    Former soldier celebrates the revolt
    Demonstrators take Pearl Roundabout, Manama, Bahrain
    Demonstration against Ali Abdullah Saleh, Yemen

    All these will be found in my blog entry.
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    Update on Egyptian revolt

    The military junta currently in power has declared an end to all protests as of today (Gates is also in Cairo today). Amnesty Internation has reported that several women were recently seized at protests and checked for their virginity. Soldiers roughed up those who would not strip or protested. Women had to endure inspections from several men, although AI did not report any rapes. Also, news cameramen at the recent fire of government offices had their cameras taken and smashed to prevent publication of any pictures. Anyone caught protesting on the streets of Cairo or anyone protesting conditions in government offices can be arrested on the spot and charged with sedition.
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    Those are worrying developments, and not the only ones. I mentioned in my latest blog entry (which I neglected to post here) the torture/beating of singer-songwriter Rami Essan, who was arrested on his way through Tahrir Square to a concert. See also Jack Shenker's Guardian article of five days ago, "Egypt's freedom is far from won
    The Egyptian revolution has been plastic-wrapped as victorious and peaceful – but there have been disturbing developments."
    The past fortnight has seen fresh outbreaks of sectarian violence, attacks on an International Women's Day march, the reappearance of the baltagiyya (regime-backed thugs) on the streets of the capital, the forceful eviction of the remaining protesters in Tahrir and a hardened stance by the authorities towards workers striking to demand their basic economic rights.

    Popular feeling among those that led the occupation of the square is that a counter-revolution is under way, a sentiment echoed by the prime minister himself. One friend emailed me despondently last week after watching bystanders laugh with soldiers and sweep dirt from the square following the vicious removal of demonstrators. "The revolution has failed," he wrote.
    Meanwhile, the West's focus on Libya (while ignoring that nothing is being done to protect protesters in Yemen and Baharain) takes attention away from what's happening in Egypt. There, approval of the referendum the other day may be the premature action many have warned of.

    The old order is still deeply embedded and there is a struggle going in which sometimes the new order loses on the street. Many remain in prison. But in his good Guardian article, Jack Shenker says it's also much too soon to write off the Egyptian revolution. There is still a mobilized youth and a new spirit and a large population that saw change come in February and won't just lie down and let things go back the way they were.
    Egypt's revolution triumphed not on 11 February, when Mubarak stood down, but on 25 January when protesters first broke through the lines of riot police attempting to seal them off from their own towns and cities and punctured that psychological barrier of fear and fatalism that had thwarted attempts at change for so long.

    Decapitating the regime was merely the first step, but as long as Egyptians' fantasies for the future go beyond the narrow, claustrophobic delineations of formal politics and encompass far-reaching social and economic changes as well, then that energy and ability to mobilise will resist the permanently lapping waves of counter-revolution, however much the tide ebbs and flows.

    A revolution isn't an insta-event, it's a permanent struggle to unleash the creativity of people's minds and translate that into a new reality. As the arguments over this weekend's referendum show, that struggle is alive and well in Egypt and will continue to be so – whether the world is watching or not.

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