Obama or Romney?

[Chris Knipp]

I have to confess I read about what the right is saying more than I read or listen to what they say. Probably Noam Chomsky listens. He knows everything and follows everything. I think he's said he does, when he's in his car.

[Johann]

We'll see how Republicans re-adjust to the shellacking they just got.
When will they learn that money and ignorance are just not that awesome?

Donald Trump called the election a sham.
No, it wasn't Donald.
I was certain it would be though, I have to admit. I was certain Romney bought it, lock, stock and fucking barrel.
In fact, I was so sure he was going to steal the election I'm still in a state of bewilderment that America actually saw right through Mitt's scheme.
Thanks again. You put the right Man in the Oval Office again.
Better times are definitely ahead. You. Just. Watch.

[Chris Knipp]

I don't think anybody is going to go through a transformation. Obama will go on being too timid and the Republicans will go on being outrageous and getting away with it. Obama is already using the word "fiscal," which is the code word for budget-cutting and letting the economy tank again, just as the Right, for reasons I do not understand, want it to do. Well, one reason is that they want the Democrats to fail, at all costs. And of course screw the majority.

[Johann]

Taking off my rose-colored glasses for a moment, I have to say that the U.S. is facing an incredibly serious problem.
You can't spend the way Obama has been spending and have the deficit get higher and higher, while a gridlocked Congress raises the debt ceiling.

So Republicans can stop licking their wounds and start getting America on track.
Don't stonewall, don't whine, don't piss and moan. America voted, and you lost. Just like 4 years ago.
Get with the program.
You can pat yourselves on the back (like you love to do) when the country is back on a "fiscal" track.
A budget is still at least a decade away for the United States, but taxing the super-rich is a VERY sound plan.
Make these super-pac bitches PAY THROUGH THE NOSE.
Money isn't real anyways, so it's no problem.
The Rich Righties can suck it. You didn't lift a finger for your wealth. And you arrogantly look down on those who see you for what you are?
Eat Shit and Die.
I almost want the whole global economy to collapse so I can smile hard.
"We're in this together" isn't a catchphrase. You breathe the same air I do, Paco.
You think "classes" are necessary and that the human race should be segmented. There is a difference between a "mixed economy" and outright Class War. And the poor have had quite enough of it. There is no trickle down. The trickle stopped on 9/11.

Mitt Romney and his batshit insane idiot backers thought money was all he needed.
Nope.
You needed a soul, a clue, a brain, a plan, a Life, in short, a HUMAN to win the election.
Take note Republitards: Don't ever put a sad-sack piece of shit corporate clown up for President again.
If you do, we'll just laugh at you again.
And vote for Michelle Obama. (She will probably run right after her Hubby!)

[Johann]

I was speaking to all the rich fucks who think the world is ending with Obama's win in that last post.

And I'm speaking to you now: If I was a millionaire, I would know that many people helped me get it. That would be a given.
No man or woman on the planet made millions by themselves. In fact, that is my number one problem with a "free market" system:
I cannot make a million dollars unless I make someone else a million dollars FIRST.
I have to be "let in" to the club, so to speak.
Man's humanity has been waning for a long time, and with the Reich-Wing thinking money is the end-all be-all for the world's problems, we are starved for leaders with HUMANITY. The Leaders are usually are rich too (Obama is Richie Rich himself) but it is a small miracle that he includes ALL Americans in his plan for America. It's quite remarkable, actually. It's a real breath of Fresh Air.
It's something to celebrate.
Class War and divisions between "Americans" is a cosmic joke. I can't believe that people WANT that type of system,
that they embrace it with both arms, that they want to be partisan until they DIE.
Wow. Who raised you?
Orangutans?

One Nation. Under God.
Heh.

[Johann]

You know what I loved the most about the election?

Mitt Lost Michigan AND Massachusetts.

Thank you America. From the bottom of my Canuck heart.
You put an EXCLAMATION POINT on your choice for President.

[Chris Knipp]

Taking off my rose-colored glasses for a moment, I have to say that the U.S. is facing an incredibly serious problem.
You can't spend the way Obama has been spending and have the deficit get higher and higher, while a gridlocked Congress raises the debt ceiling.

So Republicans can stop licking their wounds and start getting America on track.
Don't stonewall, don't whine, don't piss and moan. America voted, and you lost. Just like 4 years ago.
Get with the program.
You can pat yourselves on the back (like you love to do) when the country is back on a "fiscal" track.

I guess you are just saying this to set up to say the rich must pay more taxes. You are an independent minded man, but I fear you are influenced by the right wing Harperites who surround you. Because the "fiscal cliff" is a myth, and the "deficit" is not a serious looming problem. I refer you to Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winning economist, whose column this morning is called "Hawks and Hypocrites".

You'll find this column here.

Krugman says in part:

It’s not just the fact that the deficit scolds have been wrong about everything so far. Recent events have also demonstrated clearly what was already apparent to careful observers: the deficit-scold movement was never really about the deficit. Instead, it was about using deficit fears to shred the social safety net. And letting that happen wouldn’t just be bad policy; it would be a betrayal of the Americans who just re-elected a health-reformer president and voted in some of the most progressive senators ever.

And he further says:

And then there’s the matter of the “fiscal cliff.”

Contrary to the way it’s often portrayed, the looming prospect of spending cuts and tax increases isn’t a fiscal crisis. It is, instead, a political crisis brought on by the G.O.P.’s attempt to take the economy hostage. And just to be clear, the danger for next year is not that the deficit will be too large but that it will be too small, and hence plunge America back into recession.

Deficit scolds are having a hard time with this issue. How can they warn us not to go over the fiscal cliff without seeming to contradict their own rhetoric about the evils of deficits?

This wouldn’t be hard if they had been making a more honest case on the budget: the truth is that deficits are actually a good thing when the economy is deeply depressed, so deficit reduction should wait until the economy is stronger. As John Maynard Keynes said three-quarters of a century ago, “The boom, not the slump, is the right time for austerity.”

This is an essential point to learn. We need more infusion of capital, not holding back. There has been too little of that, not too much.