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    Moonlight last year.

    This article says many LGBT films have gotten Oscar noms, but Best Picture "isn't the most flattering place to start." Many Best Actor gay roles.

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    Rex Reed's Lists for 2017.

    Just looked to see what Rex Reed has been saying. His best and worst lists are worth a look. I agree with most of the worst, at least the ones I've seen. Some of his Best list are good movies overlooked by most critics in their list-making. The thing about Rex Reed is that he is an independent eye not swayed by the crowd of critics, many of whom are looking over each other's shoulders. . See his detailed explanations
    of his Best choices HERE.

    Rex Reed's Best of 2017
    1-The Post
    2-Call Me by Your Name
    3-Lady Bird
    4-The Finest
    5-Brad's Status
    6-I, Tonya
    7-Mudbound
    8-Film Stars Don't Die i LIverpool
    9-Novitiate
    10-Stronger

    Rex Reed's Worst of 2017
    1-Mother!
    2-The Disaster Artist
    2-Get Out
    3-The Layover
    3-The Cure for Wellness
    4-It
    5-Downsizing
    6-Suburbicon
    7-Colossal
    8-Fallen
    I haven't seen The Layover, Suburbicon, Colossal or Fallen, though if Reed is right, it's just as well. I regret that The Cure for Wellness is a flop, because I'm a fan of Dane DeHaan, but it lacks a relatable plot. I labored in vain to like mother!, The Disaster Artist, It, and Get Out. They all were distasteful. Downsizing was an obvious stinker from the start. In his best list, he favors the warm and uplifting, without sacrificing quality. However, I would find it hard to omit Dunkirk and Phantom Thread.
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    It's award season and time to celebrate the rich accomplishments of 2017. Top 10s and "best of" lists have been ubiquitous, as usual. There are so many movies (and series, programs, etc.) vying for the attention of the increasingly distracted audience always pressed for time to catch (discover) the new thing. It's a whirlwind. Generally speaking, we live in a world in which neither audiences nor critics spend enough time with a movie to get to know it the way the great films deserve. Film reviewing is an exercise in rationalizing first impressions. It's always been that way but now there's more of it and everything's faster. I'm thinking about how unprepared I am at the moment to say which are the best movies of 2017 in a conclusive way. This is true for many reasons, one being that time has a way to change the importance of an accomplishment and esthetic judgements become clearer. I like many 2017 movies but no new movie was more important to me than the 2017 release of the version of The Sage of Anatahan that Josef von Sternberg edited in 1958, five years after a censored version flopped in its limited theatrical release. It's his last film. I am very happy that The Library of Congress, the Film Foundation and other institutions collaborated to restore it and re-release it. As for new films, I will soon post a list of titles that show promise.
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    The 2018 Village Voice Poll
    Published Feb. 13, 2018. A notable thing is that Bertrand Bonello's Nocturama made the top ten. It made about $30,000 at the box office in the US. This is an independent and smart poll without being distractingly eccentric. D'Angelo pointed out "neither Nocturama nor A Quiet Passion placed in the top 50 of Indiewire’s poll." See the Voice page HERE.

    Best Film:
    1. Phantom Thread (348 points)
    2. Lady Bird (326 points)
    3. Get Out (318 points)
    4. Call Me by Your Name (305 points)
    5. The Florida Project (289 points)
    6. Dunkirk (202 points)
    7. Personal Shopper (169 points)
    8. Nocturama (165 points)
    9. A Quiet Passion (161 points)
    10. The Shape of Water (152 points)

    Best Lead Performance:
    1. Saoirse Ronan, Lady Bird (121 points)
    2. Timothée Chalamet, Call Me by Your Name (108 points)
    3. Cynthia Nixon, A Quiet Passion (101 points)
    4. Daniel Day-Lewis, Phantom Thread (86 points)
    5. Kristen Stewart, Personal Shopper (85 points)
    6. Sally Hawkins, The Shape of Water (81 points)
    7. Vicky Krieps, Phantom Thread (77 points
    8. Frances McDormand, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (72 points)
    9 (tie). Daniel Kaluuya, Get Out (52 points)
    9 (tie). Robert Pattinson, Good Time (52 points)

    Best Supporting Performance:
    1. Laurie Metcalf, Lady Bird (199 points)
    2. Willem Dafoe, The Florida Project (147 points)
    3. Tiffany Haddish, Girls Trip (132 points)
    4. Lesley Manville, Phantom Thread (101 points)
    5. Michael Stuhlbarg, Call Me by Your Name (74 points)
    6. Allison Janney, I, Tonya (56 points)
    7. Barry Keoghan, The Killing of a Sacred Deer (52 points)
    8. Sam Rockwell, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (49 points)
    9 (tie). Mary J. Blige, Mudbound (43 points)
    9 (tie). Richard Jenkins, The Shape of Water (43 points)

    Best Director:
    1. Paul Thomas Anderson, Phantom Thread (65 points)
    2. Greta Gerwig, Lady Bird (52 points)
    3. Jordan Peele, Get Out (51 points)
    4. Christopher Nolan, Dunkirk (49 points)
    5. Luca Guadagnino, Call Me by Your Name (42 points)
    6. Sean Baker, The Florida Project (41 points)
    7. Bertrand Bonello, Nocturama (37 points)
    8. David Lynch, Twin Peaks: The Return (31 points)
    9 (tie). Guillermo del Toro, The Shape of Water (22 points)
    9 (tie). Dee Rees, Mudbound (22 points)

    Best First Feature:
    1. Jordan Peele, Get Out (42 points)
    2. Greta Gerwig, Lady Bird (15 points)
    3. Kogonada, Columbus (10 points)
    4. Eduardo Williams, The Human Surge (6 points)
    5. Julia Ducournau, Raw (5 points)

    Best Documentary:
    1. Agnès Varda and JR, Faces Places (20 points)
    2. Jairus McLeary and Gethin Aldous, The Work (11 points)
    3. Bill Morrison, Dawson City: Frozen Time (10 points)
    4. Errol Morris, Wormwood (8 points)
    5. Ceyda Torun, Kedi (7 points)

    Best Screenplay:
    1. Greta Gerwig, Lady Bird (22 points)
    2. Jordan Peele, Get Out (17 points)
    3. Paul Thomas Anderson, Phantom Thread (14 points)
    4 (tie). Noah Baumbach, The Meyerowitz Stories (New and Selected) (4 points)
    4 (tie). Terence Davies, A Quiet Passion (4 points)
    4 (tie). James Ivory, Call Me by Your Name (4 points)
    4 (tie). Martin McDonagh, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (4 points)4 (tie). Ruben Östlund, The Square (4 points)

    Best Animated Film:
    1. Lee Unkrich, Coco (21 points)
    2. Nora Twomey, The Breadwinner (13 points)
    3. Chris McKay, The LEGO Batman Movie (11 points)
    4. Makoto Shinkai, Your Name (8 points)
    5. Sunao Katabuchi, In This Corner of the World (6 points)

    The Voters:
    Simon Abrams, Sam Adams, Siddhant Adlakha, Florence Almozini, Mallory Andrews, David Ansen, Ali Arikan, Sean Axmaker, Jason Bailey, Miriam Bale, Abbey Bender, Sheila Benson, Christian Blauvelt, Danny Bowes, Charles Bramesco, Sean Burns, Monica Castillo, Daryl Chin, Jaime Christley, Jake Cole, Sherilyn Connelly, Adam Cook, Jordan Cronk, Mike D’Angelo, Freja Dam, Morgan Leigh Davies, Peter Debruge, A.A. Dowd, Diana Drumm, Alonso Duralde, Bilge Ebiri, David Ehrenstein, Eric Eisenberg, Kate Erbland, Steve Erickson, Chris Evangelista, Molly Faust, David Fear, Jon Frosch, Cynthia Fuchs, Noah Gittell, Tim Grierson, Karen Han, Jesse Hassenger, Eric Henderson, Odie Henderson, Aaron Hillis, Jordan Hoffman, Eric Hynes, Caryn James, Ren Jender, Don Kaye, Ben Kenigsberg, Jonathan Kiefer, Nellie Killian, Dan Kois, Michael Koresky, Peter Labuza, Tomris Laffly, Joanna Langfield, Josh Larsen, Richard Lawson, Manuela Lazic, Will Leitch, Diego Lerer, Craig D. Lindsey, Phillip Lopate, Willow Maclay, Calum Marsh, Ben Mercer, Sean Mulvihill, Angelo Muredda, Noel Murray, Vikram Murthi, Sophia Nguyen, Michael Nordine, John Oursler, Gerald Peary, Sasha Perl-Raver, Ray Pride, Matt Prigge, C.J. Prince, Kristy Puchko, Jeff Reichert, Katey Rich, Vadim Rizov, Joshua Rothkopf, Mike Rubin, Nick Schager, Alan Scherstuhl, Michael Sicinski, David Sims, Matt Singer, Josh Spiegel, Emma Stefansky, David Sterritt, Elizabeth Stoddard, Alice Stoehr, Anne Thompson, Luke Thompson, Scott Tobias, Kyle Turner, Kathleen Walsh, Chris Wells, Matthew Wilder, Alissa Wilkinson, Alison Willmore, Charles Wilson, Kristen Yoonsoo Kim, Lara Zarum, Alan Zilberman, Esther Zuckerman
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    I've seen enough 2017 releases to feel good about posting a canon for the year. Of course, no one has seen all the worthwhile films, much less give them the attention, alertness, and reflection they deserve. Of course, this list is a snapshot judgement since I will continue to explore and think about these films and will continue to watch the many I've missed. I have decided to exclude documentaries. The four that could compete with the fiction films listed are: Dawson City: Frozen Time, Faces Places, I Am Not Your Negro and Ex Libris.


    Top 10

    Anatahan*
    The Death of Louis XIV
    The Florida Project
    Lady Bird
    The Lost City of Z
    Mudbound
    The Red Turtle
    The Shape of Water
    Twin Peaks
    The Woman Who Left



    War for the Planet of the Apes, Phantom Thread, Blade Runner 2049, A Quiet Passion, Dunkirk, The Beguiled, Good Time, Graduation, Call Me By Your Name, Get Out, Marjory Prime.

    * (Restored, uncensored cut of 1954 release)

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    BAFTA Awards. (Found in Variety.)

    (CK comment:)
    I do not think these are all good choices, though by accident, some are. Particularly, I think it is unfortunate to choose Three Billboards as "Outstanding British Film." How nice it would have been to choose God's Own Country, or even the very silly and mainstream but at least superficially British Paddington2. How can they choose I Am Not a Witch when they could have chosen Lady Macbeth? The Handmaidenwhen they could have chosen Loveless or The Salesman?

    BAFTA FILM AWARDS (winners in bold)

    BEST FILM
    CALL ME BY YOUR NAME Emilie Georges, Luca Guadagnino, Marco Morabito, Peter Spears
    DARKEST HOUR Tim Bevan, Lisa Bruce, Eric Fellner, Anthony McCarten, Douglas Urbanski
    DUNKIRK Christopher Nolan, Emma Thomas
    THE SHAPE OF WATER Guillermo del Toro, J. Miles Dale
    THREE BILLBOARDS OUTSIDE EBBING, MISSOURI Graham Broadbent, Pete Czernin, Martin McDonagh

    DIRECTOR
    BLADE RUNNER 2049 Denis Villeneuve
    CALL ME BY YOUR NAME Luca Guadagnino
    DUNKIRK Christopher Nolan
    THE SHAPE OF WATER Guillermo del Toro
    THREE BILLBOARDS OUTSIDE EBBING, MISSOURI Martin McDonagh

    LEADING ACTRESS
    ANNETTE BENING Film Stars Don’t Die in Liverpool
    FRANCES McDORMAND Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
    MARGOT ROBBIE I, Tonya
    SALLY HAWKINS The Shape of Water
    SAOIRSE RONAN Lady Bird

    LEADING ACTOR
    DANIEL DAY-LEWIS Phantom Thread
    DANIEL KALUUYA Get Out
    GARY OLDMAN Darkest Hour
    JAMIE BELL Film Stars Don’t Die in Liverpool
    TIMOTHÉE CHALAMET Call Me by Your Name

    SUPPORTING ACTRESS
    ALLISON JANNEY I, Tonya
    KRISTIN SCOTT THOMAS Darkest Hour
    LAURIE METCALF Lady Bird
    LESLEY MANVILLE Phantom Thread
    OCTAVIA SPENCER The Shape of Water

    SUPPORTING ACTOR
    CHRISTOPHER PLUMMER All the Money in the World
    HUGH GRANT Paddington 2
    SAM ROCKWELL Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
    WILLEM DAFOE The Florida Project
    WOODY HARRELSON Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

    OUTSTANDING BRITISH FILM
    DARKEST HOUR Joe Wright, Tim Bevan, Lisa Bruce, Eric Fellner, Anthony McCarten, Douglas Urbanski
    THE DEATH OF STALIN Armando Iannucci, Kevin Loader, Laurent Zeitoun, Yann Zenou, Ian Martin, David Schneider
    GOD’S OWN COUNTRY Francis Lee, Manon Ardisson, Jack Tarling
    LADY MACBETH William Oldroyd, Fodhla Cronin O’Reilly, Alice Birch
    PADDINGTON 2 Paul King, David Heyman, Simon Farnaby
    THREE BILLBOARDS OUTSIDE EBBING, MISSOURI Martin McDonagh, Graham Broadbent, Pete Czernin

    OUTSTANDING DEBUT BY A BRITISH WRITER, DIRECTOR OR PRODUCER
    THE GHOUL Gareth Tunley (Writer/Director/Producer), Jack Healy Guttman & Tom Meeten (Producers)
    I AM NOT A WITCH Rungano Nyoni (Writer/Director), Emily Morgan (Producer)
    JAWBONE Johnny Harris (Writer/Producer), Thomas Napper (Director)
    KINGDOM OF US Lucy Cohen (Director)
    LADY MACBETH Alice Birch (Writer), William Oldroyd (Director), Fodhla Cronin O’Reilly (Producer)

    FILM NOT IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE
    ELLE Paul Verhoeven, Saïd Ben Saïd
    FIRST THEY KILLED MY FATHER Angelina Jolie, Rithy Panh
    THE HANDMAIDEN Park Chan-wook, Syd Lim
    LOVELESS Andrey Zvyagintsev, Alexander Rodnyansky
    THE SALESMAN Asghar Farhadi, Alexandre Mallet-Guy

    DOCUMENTARY
    CITY OF GHOSTS Matthew Heineman
    I AM NOT YOUR NEGRO Raoul Peck
    ICARUS Bryan Fogel, Dan Cogan
    AN INCONVENIENT SEQUEL Bonni Cohen, Jon Shenk
    JANE Brett Morgen

    ANIMATED FILM

    COCO Lee Unkrich, Darla K. Anderson
    LOVING VINCENT Dorota Kobiela, Hugh Welchman, Ivan Mactaggart
    MY LIFE AS A COURGETTE Claude Barras, Max Karli

    ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
    GET OUT Jordan Peele
    I, TONYA Steven Rogers
    LADY BIRD Greta Gerwig
    THE SHAPE OF WATER Guillermo del Toro, Vanessa Taylor
    THREE BILLBOARDS OUTSIDE EBBING, MISSOURI Martin McDonagh

    ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
    CALL ME BY YOUR NAME James Ivory
    THE DEATH OF STALIN Armando Iannucci, Ian Martin, David Schneider
    FILM STARS DON’T DIE IN LIVERPOOL Matt Greenhalgh
    MOLLY’S GAME Aaron Sorkin
    PADDINGTON 2 Simon Farnaby, Paul King

    ORIGINAL MUSIC
    BLADE RUNNER 2049 Benjamin Wallfisch, Hans Zimmer
    DARKEST HOUR Dario Marianelli
    DUNKIRK Hans Zimmer
    PHANTOM THREAD Jonny Greenwood
    THE SHAPE OF WATER Alexandre Desplat

    CINEMATOGRAPHY
    BLADE RUNNER 2049 Roger Deakins
    DARKEST HOUR Bruno Delbonnel
    DUNKIRK Hoyte van Hoytema
    THE SHAPE OF WATER Dan Laustsen
    THREE BILLBOARDS OUTSIDE EBBING, MISSOURI Ben Davis

    EDITING
    BABY DRIVER Jonathan Amos, Paul Machliss
    BLADE RUNNER 2049 Joe Walker
    DUNKIRK Lee Smith
    THE SHAPE OF WATER Sidney Wolinsky
    THREE BILLBOARDS OUTSIDE EBBING, MISSOURI Jon Gregory

    PRODUCTION DESIGN
    BEAUTY AND THE BEAST Sarah Greenwood, Katie Spencer
    BLADE RUNNER 2049 Dennis Gassner, Alessandra Querzola
    DARKEST HOUR Sarah Greenwood, Katie Spencer
    DUNKIRK Nathan Crowley, Gary Fettis
    THE SHAPE OF WATER Paul Austerberry, Jeff Melvin, Shane Vieau

    COSTUME DESIGN
    BEAUTY AND THE BEAST Jacqueline Durran
    DARKEST HOUR Jacqueline Durran
    I, TONYA Jennifer Johnson
    PHANTOM THREAD Mark Bridges
    THE SHAPE OF WATER Luis Sequeira

    MAKE UP & HAIR
    BLADE RUNNER 2049 Donald Mowat, Kerry Warn
    DARKEST HOUR David Malinowski, Ivana Primorac, Lucy Sibbick, Kazuhiro Tsuji
    I, TONYA Deborah La Mia Denaver, Adruitha Lee
    VICTORIA & ABDUL Daniel Phillips
    WONDER Naomi Bakstad, Robert A. Pandini, Arjen Tuiten

    SOUND
    BABY DRIVER Tim Cavagin, Mary H. Ellis, Julian Slater
    BLADE RUNNER 2049 Ron Bartlett, Doug Hemphill, Mark Mangini, Mac Ruth, Theo Green
    DUNKIRK Richard King, Gregg Landaker, Gary A. Rizzo, Mark Weingarten

    THE SHAPE OF WATER Christian Cooke, Glen Gauthier, Nathan Robitaille, Brad Zoern
    STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI Ren Klyce, David Parker, Michael Semanick, Stuart Wilson, Matthew Wood

    VISUAL EFFECTS
    BLADE RUNNER 2049 Gerd Nefzer, John Nelson

    DUNKIRK Scott Fisher, Andrew Jackson
    THE SHAPE OF WATER Dennis Berardi, Trey Harrell, Kevin Scott
    STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI Nominees tbc
    WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES Nominees tbc

    BRITISH SHORT ANIMATION
    HAVE HEART Will Anderson
    MAMOON Ben Steer
    POLES APART Paloma Baeza, Ser En Low

    BRITISH SHORT FILM
    AAMIR Vika Evdokimenko, Emma Stone, Oliver Shuster
    COWBOY DAVE Colin O’Toole, Jonas Mortensen
    A DROWNING MAN Mahdi Fleifel, Signe Byrge Sørensen, Patrick Campbell
    WORK Aneil Karia, Scott O’Donnell
    WREN BOYS Harry Lighton, Sorcha Bacon, John Fitzpatrick

    EE RISING STAR AWARD (voted for by the public)
    DANIEL KALUUYA
    FLORENCE PUGH
    JOSH O’CONNOR
    TESSA THOMPSON
    TIMOTHÉE CHALAMET
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    I'm adding one to my Best Documentaries list:
    Abacus (Steve James, Mark Mitten and Julie Goldman 2017)

    It's Oscar-nominated, I've seen it, I liked it, so why not? An important theme, the power of big money, and Steve James is an honorable filmmaker.
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    I just watched COCO for the second time in five days. It doesn't seem that there are any critics who put any animated films in their top 10s. I think there are a lot of critics who adhere to the genre theory that argues that live action films are better than animated films, and that certain genres are inherently inferior than others. I love Pixar's Coco and Inside Out and I would have a difficult time justifying leaving them out of a list of major films of the past few years. That thought extends to The Red Turtle, which actually is in my Top 10.

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    Roger Deakins' recognition long overdue. I've been watching interviews of him on YouTube. Such an unassuming man and yet extremely knowledgeable man who has helped so many directors achieve more to their projects than they first envisioned. He brings so much depth and experience. I've admired him for a long time.
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    Roger Deakins and his brother reportedly walked four miles to see a movie from their little town near Devon, UK. That's how you learn to respect the art form. He spent his teens painting. That's a good way to lear framing, composition, and the use of light and color. Worth admiring, for sure.
    Did you watch Coco?

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    I have not seen Coco yet and as you know, I'm a huge fan of animation in all of its forms. I missed it in the theaters (a minor family crisis over the holiday break) and look forward to catching it on DVD. I'd have preferred "Loving Vincent" since I saw the doc on how it was made. I did not see that film either; therefore, can't judge one over the other. (my bad - the current colloquialism) I'm somewhat familiar with the Mexican holiday though should brush up on the custom before I see it. Thanks for the info on Deakins. Such a soft spoken man. In the group of cinematographers, he spoke last. When he did, the others just sat and listened as if it was time for the professor to speak. That's posted through the Hollywood Reporter, which runs a YouTube program prior to the Oscars about Directors, Set Designers, Costume, Cinematographers, Editors and so on. Very informative.
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    FYI - years ago I used to hang with an independent writer who submitted articles for the "Reporter" and often called me to attend certain premieres as he understood my penchant for Sci-Fi. While in Hollywood, he also introduced me to a variety of people - Christopher Isherwood, Don Bachardy, Mel Brooks, Ron Haver, many, many others; including Francis Coppola (went to the premiere of "Apocalypse Now - A Billy Graham Presentation" in Westwood. Gene Hackman tried to steal my seat. I read the trade every now and then. Makes me feel as if I'm in touch, which I'm not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinemabon View Post
    I have not seen Coco yet and as you know, I'm a huge fan of animation in all of its forms. I'm somewhat familiar with the Mexican holiday though should brush up on the custom before I see it.
    I'm only superficially familiar with the custom but no preparation is required to appreciate and share in the joy of Coco. You and the fam will love it. Check it out. It's spectacular in 3D but good'ol 2-dimensional will do.

    Back to the thread's topic, I have no doubts, in the midst of a second viewing, that David Lynch and David Frost's 17-hour, made-for-cable
    Twin Peaks: The Return

    is clearly the best movie of 2017. It is also a work of art at the vanguard of audiovisual culture and not something that a general audience would enjoy. It's clearly the most influential and consequential of the ten 2017 releases I listed earlier.
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    And I must see it, and thanks for the reminder. I found Lynch very simpatico seeing his early life story in The Art Life this time last year.
    Busy with the San Francisco film festival now though.
    Hoping to review more of the films; it's still on for six more days.
    Again I remind you all that fans of animation should rush to see Isle of Dogs

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    Having seen smidgens of it here and there (I only just got Showtime back); I wondered, Oscar, what you thought of the ending. I've read several interpretations. Unfortunately, Chris said he hasn't seen it. (Did you see the original, Chris?) The first series which aired decades ago starred Kyle MacLachlin, who also starred in the Lynch production, "Blue Velvet," fresh off his debut in "Dune." The first series attracted an unusual crowd of murder mystery and sci-fi/horror fans as Lynch played to several audiences (ABC network TV). The first series ended (mostly due to ratings) with no resolution. That they brought it back spoke more to Lynch wanting closure, I believe. I'm certain fans of the series must have hounded him to death.

    Speaking of death, many actors connected to the series either died during or just after the shooting concluded (Harry Dean Stanton and others). Even David Bowie is featured with a dubbed voice. Twin Peaks - the Return is available to stream. Lynch premiered the series at last year's Cannes. The audience responded with a five-minute standing ovation.

    Interesting choice, Oscar.
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