Thank you for joining in. Certainly von Trier isn't to be faulted for raising serious issues -- if he would only do so in a sensible context, without brutalizing the audience and his heroine/victim. He has gotten too gentle a treatment on this site and I hope others will join the dissenters with me and JustaFied. I only want to point out that JustaFied and I are not alone. A filmmaker does not deserve praise merely for challenging the audience and putting on the guise of thoughtful avant-gardism any more than he or she would deserve it for merely pleasing and coddling us.